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his inauguration were but I think over time the## American people are very smart and they're going# to see that his policies are going to be tax## breaks for these very wealthy folks they going to# be tax breaks for corporations that are offshoring## jobs because he wants the corporate tax rate lower# in places like Mexico than the United States that## his policies of sort of manifest destiny aren't# going to do anything to build new factories and## new Industries uh in communities that have been# hollowed out and ultimately he's selling Americans## Nostalgia uh and I understand why people are# upset they see a stagnant country we have to## sell them the future that we really have a way# of building and transforming this country on the## issue of immigration this is an issue on which# Democrats and Republicans agree our current## immigration system is broken Democrats worked# with Republicans in the last Administration on## that lenford bill before Donald Trump effectively# sought to unwind it to what degree will Democrats## work with Republicans in the second Trump# Administration on getting some meaningful action## on immigration let me just point out one irony of# the inauguration a lot of the folks on that stage## were immigrants who built the tech companies and# built the industries in the United States so for## Donald Trump to to a broadside against immigration# without acknowledging that I think was missing an## important truth of course the Democrats will work# on a fair immigration process that secures the## border that says people must enter this country# legally that says if you're convicted a violent## felon you should be deported but the idea with# the lake and Riley act did was saying that if## someone just arrests you or if a sheriff has# a suspicion of you that without due process## we're going to kick you out it's so unamerican I# mean we even gave the Nazis trials we believe in## the due process of the law outside of immigration# congressmen where else do you think Democrats have## room to move forward and work with this incoming# Administration I think we have to hold Donald## Trump accountable to what he said on the campaign# if he wants to help working class Americans then## is he willing to raise the minimum wage that's# something that 70% of Americans believe that## Americans deserve a raise is he willing to cap# the interest rates that people are paying on## their credit cards because he had said that he was# willing to do that uh is he willing to actually## invest in steel and aluminum and uh making pill# Manufacturing in the United States or is it just## all uh rhetoric and so we will work on issues# that actually help the working in Middle Class## Congressman Ro con Democrat from California thanks# again for being with us thank you and for more## on this new administration's policy and their# implications we're joined Now by David wessell## of the Brookings institution and Mark Hugo Lopez# of the Pew Research Center Mr wessell will start## with you first on this matter of tariffs most# economists believe that Mr Trump's president## Trump's tariff plan will add to the inflationary# pressure in this country they seem to agree they## seem to disagree on how much how how do you see# it well I think it's really interesting today## that when President Trump gave this long list of# things he's going to do on day one that although## he mentioned a review of tariffs he didn't# actually say that he was going to impose them## unlike what he's doing on immigration so I think# that's M we'll see uh predicting what Donald Trump## is going to do next is a foolish game I'm sure he# will do some tariffs but the real question is what## will he do how strategic will he be and is this a# negotiating tactic or is it really some way of of## of really punishing Imports and we don't really# know yet it is right as you say that tariffs will## contribute to pushing prices up which is at odds# with the promise he made just in his inaugural## speech and some of the things he says that will# make that might bring prices down deregulation or## some kind of tax cuts are not things that'll# happen right away David as you mentioned of## course that the tariffs and I've heard this we had# the Canadian Ambassador on the show who indicated## she believes some of those tariff threats are just# a starting point for negotiations that's how her## government is seeing it but there are things# that President Trump can do alone as president## with executive action there are things that he# needs Congress to be able to do like some of the## tax Provisions we know he wants to push through# walk us through what we could see in terms of## what he can and cannot do alone the president of# the United States has extraordinary authority to## impose tariffs without Congressional consent the# history of this in short is that it once upon a## time Congress did tariffs the Constitution gives# Congress that that Authority that responsibility## but members of Congress thought they were putting# on too many tariffs because each member of## Congress would protect his or her own constituency# so they gave the power to the president on the## theory that the president had the national# interest at stake and over the last several## presidencies um the president has tended to be# more free trade than than members of Congress## but that's all gone so Trump has the authority# and I expect he will use it it's question of how## targeted uh as someone mentioned earlier he didn't# talk a lot about China today and that's something## where Democrats and Republicans on the hill agree# there is a threat from China and I expect he will## impose tariffs on China relatively soon the Canada# Mexico stuff seems to me more of a bargaining## chip and I think that it it may be that the# Canadians and the Mexicans can give him something## he's a very transactional guy that will allow him# to say oh see I threatened tariffs they acquiesced## and now everything's wonderful again well I was# going to ask you that because the North American## economies are so interconnected and the tariffs# I guess could make sense in the context of Donald## Trump's view that other countries are always# getting over on the US absent that you know are## tariffs anything more than a solution in search of# a problem I mean do they make sense in the context## of our current economic picture um well the short# answer is no after all we have a trade agreement## with Canada and Mexico that President Trump in his# first term renegotiated and praise is the world's## best trade agreement and now he's in the process# of blowing it up there are cases for tariffs if## we want to build a more resilient supply chain if# we want to rely Less on China there is a case for## targeted sheriffs um the Biden Administration# kept many of the first Trump administration's## tariffs but as an overall economic tool it is# as uh David Brooks said earlier I feel like## he's taking us back to the 19th century but he# doesn't know his history very well we don't need## to go back to that boom bust craziness of the# late 19th century but he talks about it as if## that was the Golden Age so you're absolutely right# we have a globalized economy we are now at risk of## shooting our ourselves in the foot by uh putting# terrorists on things particularly on things that## American manufacturers need to make stuff in the# United States Mark Hugo Lopez let's bring you in## here now on the issue of immigration which# is the other issue of course that Mr that## President Trump has promised to move very quickly# on This Promise of Mass deportations on day one## we've heard a lot about it there been a lot of# reporting about where those might unfold where## do the American people stand on watching these# kinds of scenes unfold are supporting this policy## it's interesting because we found found in an# August survey that about 54% of us adults told us## that they supported Mass deportations but at the# same time we also found that us adults have mixed## views or nuanced views about uh deportations who# should be deported you'll find that for example## um about three quarters of us adults feel that# undocumented immigrants of the country who are## here perhaps working perhaps established families# um perhaps should be allowed to stay or some sort## of path to legally being able to stay should# be part part of uh part of the policy um but## we also find that when you take a look at uh uh# uh who um how uh the US adult population feels uh## immigrants should particularly indoc immigrants# should be um uh allowed to stay one of the most## important things they point to is having some# sort of a background check and they also point## to the importance of having a job so these nuanced# views about uh Mass deportations I think reflect## the different uh feelings that Americans have# about undocumented immigrants and that it isn't## such a cleancut story we were talking earlier with# Congressman Rana about whether or how Democrats## would work with this Republic Administration# Republican Administration on on immigration## what does the polling Show are there areas where# Democrats the Democratic base gives uh Democratic## lawmakers the political leeway to work with# the Trump Administration on this issue yeah## one way or one place is when it comes to border# security Democrats and Republicans alike think## the US border with Mexico could be more secure or# should be more secure so that's one place where## you might see some room for working together# there are other potential places as well such## as for example legal immigration many us adults# tell us that they want to see legal immigration## either stay the same or increase and to prioritize# particularly high-skilled immigration so there are## some potential places where you could where you# might see Democrats and Republicans work together## on some immigration policy issues we've also seen# some dramatic trends at the US Southern border## over the last several years and part because of# global migration patterns and part because of the## covid pandemic and then of course in the last six# or seven months we've seen a dramatic decline uh## in terms of encounters at the US Southern border# because of executive action that President Biden## took after congressional action failed to to cross# the finish line in terms of where the American## people are and how they view immigration one of# the things we look back on this last election and## see is that there has been a bit of a rightward# shift when it comes to some views but do you## see that in immigration as well uh you do you do# see many Americans more likely to say for example## that there needs to be more and better border# security half of us adults have told us that## they are uh concerned about how many people are# entering the country illegally and that they're## concerned about whether or not the US government# even has control over illegal immigration into## the United States so those are just some examples# about where you see concern about the Border but## it's also interesting to note that the country is# one in which immigrants are a big part of what it## means to be American uh over 45 million people in# the United States are immigrants themselves and## we find that about 70% or more of us adults say# they know somebody personally in their lives who## is an immigrant so in many ways what happens with# immigration and immigration policy uh is likely to## reverberate across the country as many people know# somebody personally who's an immigrant Mark Hugo## Lopez and David Wes or thanks to you both let's# listen in as Democratic house leader hakeim Jeff## delivers remarks at this Usha and family may# God bless and watch over you as you begin this## journey on behalf of the Congress we present one# of the flags that flew above the capital today to## the 50th Vice President of the United States of# America James David Vance and wish you God Speak thank you leaders scalise and Jeff I# now ask my friend Senator Deb fiser of## Nebraska um as in the beef you had for# the entree uh who has been an excellent## partner in planning today's events# to come up and present the inaugural photographs well my thanks to chair cloar for# putting together and putting together again in## the last two days uh the six th inaugural# ceremony here at the United States capital## Amy did a wonderful job along with all of the# committee all of our staffs in order for this to## come together and be a very memorable experience# it is a tradition that the committee give our new## president and first lady our vice president# and Mrs Vance the official photographs taken## at the swearing in ceremony and so it is such# an honor to be able to have those presented to## you I hope you will display them with pride with# honor and with a humbleness that I know you will## carry with you every single day that you serve# the people of this country may God bless you all thank you Senator fiser and now on behalf of# the joint Congressional committee on inaugural## ceremonies I'd like to present the president# and Mrs Trump and the vice president and Mrs## Vance uh with these Crystal Lennox bases see# them over here um for the 10th consecutive## inauguration Lennox has provided the official# inaugural gift the handcut etched bases display## the White House for the president and the US# capital for the vice president because I know## that he is going to enjoy uh not only being the# vice president but also as sener Thun and sherno## the president of the United States Senate and# there's no better job than that uh these gifts## symbolize our equal branches of government as# well as our enduring democracy there they are I will now invite Speaker of the House Mike# Johnson of Louisiana to give the toast to the vice president thank you so much it my great honor to# uh offer a toast to our new vice president Mr JD## Vance JD you wrote something very poignant in your# Memoir actually many things very poignant but let## me quote you here what separates the successful# from the unsuccessful are the expect ations they## had for their own lives that's really meaningful# that that expectation is a powerful thing we## remember the the people in our lives Who provided# that to us we all need that everybody needs hope## and encouragement they need a greater expectation# we we need people in our Lives who will make us uh## look farther and uh reach higher JD's written a# lot about the people in his life that have done## that um he's written about we know the great# story of your grandparents and what they did in## your life he's written about his professors and# mentors is the meton law school he writes a lot## about speaks a lot about his uh gracious beautiful# wife our new second lady Usha um is a great## inspiration as well and uh JD you yourself have# been inspiring people your story really has it's## one of the reasons that I believe God has raised# your platform as he has because you've been so## faithful to tell that story and to inspire so many# others and so our our our hope and our prayer is## as you continue to do this that as you go to help# us execute on the America First agenda that you## also do what you've been doing so well all along# and that is providing a model for what is possible## in America what a great story what an inspiring# story you've had and it's just getting started## I I pray specifically that you inspire a lot of# the young men in America some of them them feel## uh hopeless and stagnant sometimes and you're a# great example to all of them and to all of us that## if you work hard and you play by the rules and uh# you do the right thing and you can make a better## life you're now the vice president of the United# States my friend so everyone will you please uh## join me in raising a glass to our own mentors the# people who inspired all of us to the possibilities## of our own future to these great New Horizons what# a what a perfect choice this was for the painting## the artwork today and to the great example of# our new vice president Mr JD Vance you're here thank you speaker Johnson and vice president# Vance I will now invite my Senator next door## in the state of South Dakota Senate Majority# Leader John Thun to give the toast for the president well Mr President Madam first lady# congr congratulations it is an honor for all## of us to be able to be here today with you# on this historic day as we celebrate your## inauguration Mr President one of the um most# important influences in my life when I was## getting started in politics was Ronald Reagan his# philosophy of limited government his U belief and## peace through strength the strength of his# convictions um were all things that appeal## to me but I was also drawn by his optimism and# by his belief in America and Mr President those## are qualities that I see in you one of the things# that resonated throughout your campaign was the## unshakable belief in our country and in her# citizens you remind us of everything that's## possible in America I'm looking forward to working# with you over the next four years to build up our## great country it says in the scriptures that# if you ask for wisdom it will be given to you## and given to you generously and so so I pray and# our prayer is that God will richly bless you in## the years ahead and Grant you not only strength# but wisdom and ladies and gentlemen I ask you to## join me in raising a glass to the president of the# United States President Donald Trump you're here so this has been a a long day with many# other things ahead for so many of you um## but I want to thank you for attending the# 60th inaugural ceremonies and as we close## uh we ask that you pick up a gift uh all# of our guests are going to get a set of## commemorative glasses in emboss leather featuring# the Great Seal of the United States which Senator## fiser and I selected together together and# maybe Senator McConnell added some bourbon## from Kentucky just saying uh it is uh now my# privilege to conclude this luncheon by asking## Margaret kiban uh the chaplain for the House of# Representatives to deliver the benediction thank you and we know we love this Eagle Podium it's## pretty good Mr President ladies# and gentlemen please rise for the benediction would you pray with me holy# and merciful god having witnessed another## successful moment in the experiment that# you have entrusted into the hands of the## American people we pray your blessing on# our 47th president of these United States## Donald J Trump and Vice President James# evance ensure that this mantle of singular## responsibility that you have laid upon our# president's shoulders remains secure in your## will and safeguarded in your keeping uphold# him as he preserves protects and defends the## Constitution to the best of his abilities# relying on your Divine help God of power## and might grace and mercy grant that your spirit# of counsel has access to the president's heart## to search it to his mind to examine it to# his will to test it that his faithfulness## would bear witness to your truth surround him with# angels and advisers who will serve as your agents## to guide and guard him caution and encourage# him to remain upright and blameless in your## sight Buckle the belt of Truth around his waist# place the breastplate of righteousness over his## heart fit his feet with Readiness that your God# Gospel of wisdom and Justice will shine forth## through president throughout president Trump's# Administration we offer this prayer to the one## whose voice we follow to guide all that we do and# all that we hope for amen ladies and Gentlemen## please be seated please remain at your seats as# president Trump vice president Vance The Joint## Congressional committee on inaugural ceremonies# and the official party depart National statute AR Hall you're watching live picture of the Inaugural# luncheon that's now come to an end as you see one## of the Inaugural Committee chairs Amy Senator# M kashar speaking with President Trump and vice## president Vance additional ceremonies are going# to unfold as part of the inaugural ceremonies## and celebration at the capital then Mr Trump of# course will make his way to Capital 1 Arena where## the inaugural parade is expected to unfold in the# meantime we'd like to bring in Matthew conetti of## the American Enterprise Institute who joins us now# to talk about President Trump and the Republican## party at this moment Matt thanks so much for being# with us one of the reasons I was looking forward## to speaking with you today is I know you've# taken a very long lens when it comes to how the## Republican party has arrived at this moment and# this leader and I just want you to reflect on what## we heard from president Trump and his inaugural# address the policies the priorities of this## President and what it says about where Republicans# are right now sure thanks for having me you know I## think there are a lot of similarities between# Donald Trump's second inaugural dress and its## first inaugural dress eight years ago but# the similarities end there with the text## of the speech the world is a very different place# America is a very different place and I think the## Republican party is a very different party when# you look at the images of President Trump and## now Vice President Vance you're you look at house# Speaker Mike Johnson or the new Senate leader John## th you're seeing a Republican party that really# Donald Trump built over the past eight years and## I think this may be actually a differen maker# between his first Administration and the second## in the first Administration Trump was an outsider# he had to claw his way through that primary race## in 2016 he was as surprised as anybody when he# won the Electoral College in November 2016 making## him president and he still had to fight with the# elements of the GOP who predated him who predated## the global financial crisis of 2008 who didn't# share his type of nationalist populism that's## no longer the case now and I think it means that# it will be easier for Donald Trump to command the## Republican Party push it in the direction where# he wants it to go for these next four years and## and taking your point that he's better positioned# to articulate and enact his agenda the challenge## there is that now the expectation is that is# that he'll deliver how do you see it well I## think as far as Trump supporters and Republicans# go president Trump has a pretty good record at## delivering what he promises you know I was struck# by the second inaugural address how specific it## was presidential inaugural addresses tend to be# very abstract conceptual try to kind of strike a## chord in American history um summon to the you# know moment but this one was uh a declaration## of what he was going to do it was an announcement# of policy it was also much more personal address## in a lot of ways because he talked about what he# had been through over the last four years uh since## leaving office really at a low Point uh in January# 2021 you know it might sound like typical kind of## trump um solipsism thinking about himself but# I think for most Trump supporters they identify## with him in a way that many people in Washington# don't really recognize so I actually think many of## his supporters are confident that he'll be able to# deliver the results and having the trifecta here## of both the House of Representatives the Senate# the White House a supreme court where he put## uh several of the justices um in their seats and# possibly more in a second term I think that speaks## that he'll be able to show that his uh policies# are concrete and more beneficial in a way that## uh his predecessor was unable to do so Matt in# terms of the priorities he'd like to see through## that he needs Congressional support for how do# you view his relationship with house Speaker## Mike Johnson with the Senate Majority Leader John# th is is there any incentive you think for any## Republican lawmaker to oppose or to say no to Mr# Trump to president Trump in this moment at this## point and in this Republican party there's almost# zero incentive to go against Donald Trump you know## was uh Amy Walter who I think pointed out recently# that presidents typically typically get what they## want uh in their first year when they have a# trifecta and most recent presidents have come## in with a trifecta with control of the elected# branches and so I expect that to be the case## right now there will be some figures primarily# in the Senate who have independent political ID## identities uh or who like former leader Mitch# McConnell really has a worldview that is at## odds with Donald Trump's worldview they might# be expected to uh oppose Trump to some degree## in certain ways but by and large I think right# now especially after having gone through the uh## opening round of confirmation hearings last week# I think most of the Trump cabinets well suited to## take office and I think that but paradoxically the# very narrow House Majority actually may help spur## Republican unity in the way that we saw with the# reelection of Mike Johnson a few weeks ago we are## seeing lots of smiles and handshakes a couple# of photos as president Trump leave Statuary## Hall uh Matthew you were talking about how Donald# Trump ended his presidency at a low point I think## back then it would have been easy if Donald Trump# had exited public life viewed by many as a pariah## but he is really a singular figure and singular# force in our politics in terms of his resilience## I mean how do you explain it two impeachments# we were saying this earlier two impeachments## two assassination attempts for criminal trials a# conviction January 6th and all that that entailed## and yet he's reelected president of the United# States yeah I mean it's really a remarkable## political comeback we are living in the age of# trump it began in 2015 when he wrote down that## escalator to much mockery but it isn't over# yet how did he come back well I think a lot## of people will be analyzing this question for many# many years to come I think he benefited from the## opp position I think he benefited from the Biden# administration's mistakes I think he benefited## from Joe Biden's mistake in my view of wanting to# run for a second term of thinking that he could## make it through a general election in 2024 but I# also think that Donald Trump benefited from some## of the law fair that was conducted against him# some of the investigations I think M raised many## people's concerns that there was a two-tiered# system of justice in the country and finally## though I think what really has contributed uh# to Donald Trump's political longevity is his## connection with his supporters you I think that# you can argue that Trump's turnaround really the## low Point certainly was in January 2021 but it# also came after the midterm elections in November## 2022 when Trump's candidates uh really did not# perform very well and the Republican party was## disappointed in those results Trump followed that# up by visiting East paltin Ohio after the train## derailment there part of R Ohio he did so at the# urging of now Vice President JD Vance and I think## that was his way of demonstrating solidarity with# working-class Americans and he kind of Bren that## Coalition Beyond just rural workingclass Americans# to include workingclass Americans of color during## his visit to the bodega in Manhattan and also his# rally in the Bronx I think that connection which## very few political leaders have Trump has been# able to assert and maintain and it's put him in## this remarkable position of being in a place where# no one thought he would be twice yeah to your## point I was there in East Palestine when President# at the time he wasn't president but he showed up## and he went to a McDonald's and spoke to people# there and the the broad view of the folks in East## Palestine was that the Biden Administration was# slow and responding and yet Donald Trump showed up## at the local McDonald's and was talking to folks# Matthew Kenny of the American Enterprise Institute## thanks so much for sharing BR your insights with# us let's bring it back to the panel David Brooks## want you to weigh on what you heard there from uh# from Matthew everything Matthew said is correct## uh I I I'm thinking um these days about the thing# that has been downplayed so far which is foreign## policy and so Mark rud who's the Secretary General# of n NATO said they were in the most dangerous## security environment since World War II Corey# Shake who's a prominent foreign policy expert## of the American entprise Institute said we're not# at World War III yet but world war is coming HR M## Master the former National Security adviser says# that he believes that China is trying to establish## First Strike nuclear capability against the United# States so these are all just tremendously sobering## uh and part of it and I think the part that# Trump can really solve is it's a production## problem partly it's a production problem Russia# is able to make more missiles in the United States## of the relevant kind in Ukraine kind of War# than the United States and Europe combined uh## Chinese ship building capability is two 230 times# bigger than American ship building capability## we run these war games against China uh and uh# we run out of ammunition the relevant ammunition## in 3 to 7 days and so we just need to massively# increase our manufacturing base as a sec national## security issue so that's something that has to# be achieved and then you get Iran or Israel has## delivered a great Victory against Iran and its# militias but they may respond by going nuclear and## so this is just danger danger danger everywhere# and how does Trump think about any of this stuff## he thinks we're going to withdraw from Wars# that's probably not going to be possible or our## projection of power at least abroad and so that is# just this big empty thing out there that I don't## think was filled in today at all the one part that# was filled in was that and this is international## I'm looking at the people who attended or were# expected to attend Javier Malay the Argentina## Prime president the Italian Prime Minister Georgia# Maloney Nigel farage whose reformed party in the## UK is now in second place above the Tores and# barely behind the labor party and so what you## see is that this is not just a US phenomenon# this is a global populist movement that he is a## part of and somehow this populist movement will# probably start wielding a common foreign policy## of the sort we haven't seen before and so this is# I'm not saying I have answers I don't know what's## going to happen I just know this is a gigantic# thing that is not being addressed and somebody## I think Amy mentioned earlier George W Bush when# he took his inaugural address in 2001 he had no## idea what was about to hit and I I have a feeling# we're in the that vote I mean I kind of disagree## I think Trump understands the moment that he's# in um very clearly and um you you see it in his## negotiating tactics you see it in his leadership# and him stepping in I mean it's it's almost as## if he has been president for the last few months# showing the world leaders that hey we're strong## we're going to rebuild and he understands also to# have leverage around the globe and to protect the## American people we have to have a strong economic# Force we have to build up our economy um to## leverage against China to show our strength to to# have leverage in the Panama Canal he understands## the implications um that are facing us in a the# global challenge that we have today um and he's## shown that he's ready to lead and take it you# know lead from the front Kevin how do you see that## foreign policy front being filled in to David's# point we didn't hear a lot today the America## first language is the overarching umbrella for all# of this right but to the degree that that needs## to be filled in in terms of details you know you# look at the ceasefire agreement for example that## was done very very much in coordination with the# Biden Administration and the incoming Trump team## and his Envoy to the area it it's difficult to see# how that kind of um involvement would come from a## trump Administration correct me if I'm wrong I I I# wouldn't see them wanting to interact in the same## way what do well I look I mean I think to your# broader Point um The Good Intentions that that## everybody has right now will often become overrun# by events and that's one of the things that's## always difficult with a new presidency is you# you a lot of Promise a lot of high expectations## but events May May overcome us um I think one of# the things that's different now is that um the## president president Trump has actually a very good# relationship with and a very loyal cabinet that## is operating operating at his Direction um and I# think he also has a very clear contrast with the## foreign policy of the last four years with the# foreign policy that he wants to promote over the## next four years there has been a people are very# unhappy with particularly uh the Trump supporters## very unhappy with the direction that we were# taking uh under Biden feeling that we were## constantly um uh sort of offering a weaker posture# instead of or in the stead of and and and under## the offices of working with trying to find some# sort of common ground with our allies but of of## a sort of America First strong posture uh and and# having making sure that the Pentagon and that the## establishment at the state department is working# at the direction of trump I think many people## will feel that that will be a welcome change from# the last four years I just want to make a comment## about uh what Matthew was talking about in terms# of the idea of how did how did Trump get here how## did he come make this comeback and I think the# thing we also have to appreciate is the media## consumption environment it's been changing for# a long time but the difference even between 2017## and now is remarkable and um this is only going# to become more of an issue as we go forward with## it's media especially big traditional media uh# splintering trying to find its way smaller what we## would consider smaller Outlets are now basically# driving most of the messages or political news## that people are getting Tik Tok is supposed to be# gone uh we'll see what happens there but something## will come in its place and already whether it# is podcasts or social media or YouTube this the## the I think the big thing that Trump understood# and continues to understand better than almost## anybody is that is the way to reach people he's# not ignoring traditional media because he still## likes it but that is the that is where um being# in control of a message becomes harder and harder## we are preparing to see the ceremonial review of# the troops and emancipation Hall and we expect## uh president Trump and the first lady in advances# to join them there momentarily uh Jonathan capart## when we talk about President Trump's worldview# it's often hard to ascribe a strict worldview## to him because just when you think he's an# isolationist he talks about obtaining Greenland or## trying to reclaim the Panama Canal it's hard it's# hard to box him in right it is hard to box him in## and let's not for let's not forget by saying he# wants to take Greenland he's going up against a## NATO Ally he's going up against Denmark so um look# again as I've been saying all all morning he can## say a lot of things but until he puts um action# behind the words that's the only time I'll be able## to really understand what he wants to do we we've# been watching all morning the the announcements of## executive orders the shutting down of was cpb1 um# that's a concrete action he is following through## on his plans um if not mass deportation today but# doing something on immigration when it comes to## forign policy um you you you raised that what you# were talking about before David uh on Friday those## are huge holes I have no idea uh where president# Trump wants to go and I most definitely don't know## where Pete heg how he is going to implement the# president's Vision assuming he gets confirmed## which I assume he will but he like many of# his fellow cabinate nominees has no experience## running huge organizations and the pentagon is the# biggest in the federal government let's bring our## Lisa de jardan back into our conversation Lisa hi# a couple of things now we're getting close to the## time that the Trump Administration will actually# begin operating in the next hour we expect two## committee votes on two of the cabinet nominees# from the Trump Administration Marco Rubio for## Secretary of State um and also Pete heg who you# just mentioned for defense department the Rubio## nomination could be voted on in the Senate tonight# now Democrats have to agree to that but there is## an appetite for that they know Marco Rubio Pete# Heth on the other hand we do not expect a vote## for him tonight but our Nick schiffren has# been told that his vote could come this week## I've noticed that the White House has put out# now a list of acting designated secretaries for## all of the government agencies they will continue# operating as acting until there are confirmations## and as you know some of those could take weeks# um but something else I want to notice this kind## of bears a little bit on what you all have been# talking about as we listen to the ceremony behind## us um Trump is coming in as Amy said earlier as# someone who is both uh able to be an outsider## and an Insider but something that having covered# Trump uh through both of his campaigns and as a## president and covering Congress that I'm feeling# in this moment is that the roles have reversed## when Trump was first president in 2017 he was the# rookie he did not have government experience he## was someone that members of the House and Senate# Republicans thought they were going to teach him## how to do this uh we know that didn't really work# out that way but what's flip now is that Trump is## the one with government experience four years in# the White House and he's dealing with leaders here## in the capital who are new speaker Johnson almost# a brand new speaker relatively majority leader## in the Senate JN th who is really just days into# being a leader and hakee jeffre uh the Democratic## leader in the house I don't know if our doers# notied but when they met when they had the signing## ceremony earlier today that was the first time# those two men had met at all so Trump is coming in## not just with his own momentum as a politician# and his political um I think uh Charisma and## gravitas and core base but also with experience in# governing that the leaders here in the capital um## they don't have in their position the same way# that he does and Lisa from your sources there## I mean obviously these are two key relationships# for president Trump right with house speaker and## the Senate Majority Leader what can you tell# us about those relationships about how these## men get along and how they might work together in# this Administration oh they are such fascinating## relationships Mike Johnson came into being speaker# without much leadership experience himself he's## quickly defined himself um as 100% on board the# Trump bandwagon and you often see in fact speaker## Johnson sort of next to or behind uh president# Trump in photos now John Thun has a different## relationship he had he and president Trump uh were# not friends in fact they had a broken relationship## JN th criticized him openly after the Access# Hollywood tape he asked uh Trump in 2016 to drop## out of the presidential campaign he didn't do that# and he always looked at John Thun with suspicion## after that thun also criticized him after January# 6 but earlier this year in March uh th and Trump## repaired the relationship th going down to Mara# Lago uh and convincing Trump to stay out of the## race for Senate Majority Leader now it's a tricky# situation here but my understanding from sources## both Trump campaign and also th other Republicans# in the Senate was it was clear that th had a base## of support in the Senate that Trump was not# going to overcome and I think Trump made the## assessment that it was worthwhile to repair that# relationship from his end so that's what those## two men have done you've heard th gave a toast# today speaking in favor praising Trump but the## truth is that is a very different relationship# historically than the one he has with speaker## Johnson Lisa de jardan our thanks to you and we# should say that what we're watching right now## this is the first honors Ceremony this takes the# place of the traditional review of the troops that## usually occurs just before a president departs# the US capital on inauguration day and that## would normally happen on the East front steps but# because everything has been moved indoors this is## not a review of the troops this is a first honors# ceremony let's bring in our loron Lopez who is## uh on her post over at the at the White House# and Laura I understand you have some more## information about the really series of executive# actions we expect to see from president Trump today that's right Jeff so in addition to the# immigration ones that we spoke about earlier there## are also the ones that are targeting diversity# and inclusion initiatives that the president is## expected to sign today and within that which# he referenced in his speech is one that would## define sex as biologically as as biologically men# and women they are the only Sexes is something## that he will uh officially sign saying that the# whole of government should only recognize those## two Sexes now that comes after promises on the# campaign Trail for him to uh end what he called## quote gender ideology across the government and a# lot of anti-trans uh policies that he proposed now## we don't know if the executive actions today# will also include uh ones that he promised## is saying that he would uh stop the government# or any government funding going towards gender## affirming care banss for minors or recognizing# uh gender affirming care banss that's something## that he has said that he wants to stop so those# are additional executive actions that we expect## he'll take as well as ones targeting electric# vehicles he's undoing a lot of President Biden's## actions on electric vehicles ones that would have# cut uh pollution from tailpipe emissions those## were pretty strict uh it was a pretty strict# regulation that was issued by President Biden## and uh president Trump is wanting to undo that# during his first day in office now when it comes## to the pardons for January 6 rioter uh Trump and# his advisers have said that they would stick to## only the pardoning those who were nonviolent uh# riers nonviolent people who stormed the capital## but uh some reports indicate that he may very# well commute the sentences of those who were## charged with violent acts and as of the latest# justice department total the outgoing Justice## Department's total was that some 600 riers were# charged with violent assaults on police officers## Jeff that's our Laura Baron Lopez at the White# House for us tonight Laura thank you so much## continue to watch this first honor ceremony as# it plays out there you see President Trump and## first lady Melania Trump now entering the hall for# that ceremony and Judy Woodruff as we watch this## unfold we've noted several times of course today# is about this celebration it is in many ways the## pump and the circumstance also a Hallmark of our# American democracy which is the Envy of so many## democracies around the world and we mentioned# earlier Amy talked about the the media role## in all of this how media consumption has changed# not only how leaders lead but how we do our jobs## and are able to reach the audience in the days# ahead we're going to see things like the White## House Press briefing we're going to see how and# if president Trump takes questions from the Press## you know we hope he continues to give interviews# he's welcome to join us here at PBS and give an## interview at any time but how are you reflecting# on our role in this Administration well I'm still## thinking about the podcast that um made news# during this uh election campaign and how the## interview that President Trump did with Joe Rogan# and the controversy over whether kamla Harris was## going to do an interview with him occupied a lot# of air time a lot of space uh in the discussion## and the campaign and there were others like that# I think um you know Amy's point about the media## landscape has changed is absolutely correct and# it's something we are grappling with in real time## the fact that you could run for president and not# give interviews to major networks which used to## be the norm you might not talk to every Network# anchor but you talked to many of them and you did## you did you you spread the wealth around if you# will today it's you can get reelected president## by not talking to just about anybody and as I said# just doing doing some podcasts going on some radio## programs sticking to One Network or two that that# is sympathetic to your point of view so I don't## know we don't know where this is headed it's a lot# of people would would love to know that but we are## we are clearly in a time of transition and I think# it is fair to say and several of you have said## this President Trump has shown a a real talent at# figuring out how to put himself at the center of## this you said this a minute ago on I think and I# know Kevin made the point he understands the way## to keep himself in the conversation I remember he# did this very well in his first term and there's## every indication he's going to continue to do# that yeah and when Lisa was talking about the## change of the top of leader the leadership in# Congress remember too that 68% of Republicans## in the house have come in since 2016 there is not# a pre-trump post-trump world most of the people## there have known nothing other than what life# has looked like since Trump came onto the scene## what about that Tiffany that the that this party# is now officially remade in Donald Trump's image## there's no turning back well I don't think that's# necessarily true I mean obviously he's our leader## and he's leading the way but I think it goes more# back to policy in our American way of life that's## what it is and it's preserving it for generations# and you know at the beginning of the show I shared## that 78% of Americans truly believe that their# children um will not have a better life than them## I mean those are that's very troubling that shows# the mood out there in the country um so I think## it's more of a getting back to citizens who are# engaged in this country American patriotism where## we feel safe where economy Works where businesses# are open and small businesses are flourishing and## growing and we have manufacturing and there's no# big world wars going on that's what's at play I## actually would say it has been made remade In His# Image um and it's actually more more so I think## it's been remade in his style yeah his sty that# Mak the style of politics that we see now it's## very different from as a Mitt Romney guy like sort# of like watching old black and white movies and um## but this is it this is here to say and I I was# thinking about this too you I was talking about## talking in the Green Room earlier you know I have# a son who's 18 years old and he just voted this## year for the first year um there is no weirdness# or sort of like uniqueness about Trump trump has## always been a big major figure in politics since# he's been involved in voting and there's many## Americans now this is the norm this is the sort# of standard so we have to change our views of what## norms and standards are when we start to look# at politics judge who has the advantage in big## National political debates as a result of that and# so I think the one thing that he'll continue to do## that Trump will continue to use to his advantage# is he views Washington and how you get things done## here from an outside in perspective and he's going# to constantly tap into the fervent support that he## has uh around the country to really try to affect# change here in Washington Jonathan Kart we heard## I'm sorry Dave we we heard President Biden uh in# his last remarks before leaving saying that he's## staying in the fight and KLA Harris did something# similar to that a couple days ago what does that## what does that mean for Democrats to stay in the# fight at this point um it it means pushing back## on things that they don't that they don't agree# with that they don't like substantively I'm not## talking about pushing back on pyun things there# are big fights coming immigration is going to be## a big fight debt sealing is going to be a big# fight the renewal or not of the Trump tax cuts## will be a big fight um one of the things um that# they could do is you know what take him up on some## of the things he said he was going to do that they# that they can actually support for instance both## Donald Trump and vice president Harris on the# campaign Trail Donald Trump did it first I'm no## tax on tips democrats should draft the bill and# say you know what yeah let's do it and then get## to see whether Donald Trump whether president# Trump will actually go along with it because## the Democrats decided to move on it first that's# what I think the president means and that's what I## think a lot of Democrats are thinking about when# they think about um staying in the fight and I## just want to bring up one thing because I've been# just sort of struggling with this moment and I got## a a text message from um a friend my friend Trevor# who just checked in on me just how you doing and## like man me and then he he wrote he wrote to me# um no I wrote to him everything feels dark real## dark and he wrote back his view of America is not# any reality I know or that of anyone I know it's## not the country I love and that crystallized for# me that's the way I'm feeling listening to Donald## inaugural address the speech he gave um to the# Overflow room everything he said on the campaign## trail that is that's just not the reality that# I live in and that doesn't mean that I don't## recognize the problems that that the country faces# but it does mean that the way I view how they## should be how they should be solved is different# completely different David Brooks uh I guess I I## know I don't view it that the way Trump does but I# certainly know a lot of people who do view it that## way including members of my own family who are# big Trump supporters the the level of alienation## the level of distrust the sense that the system is# totally rigged that's pervading the consciousness## of a lot of my friends and so those are Trump# voters I do want to disagree with my friends## on the far end of the table because I I don't# think it's I think a it is a different party and## B I don't think it's a stylistically different I# mean it is stylistic but it's also a substantively## radically transformed party the Republican party# of Mitt Romney you Kevin you know better than I## or John McCain or George Bush that was a party of# NATO that was a party of free trade uh that was a## party of limited government uh that was frankly# a party of corporate people MH and now it's## working-class party so on all sorts of issues to# me the Republican party has shifted and not just## in the US the Tory party in conservative in UK is# not Margaret Thatcher anymore Boris George Johnson## very different than Margaret AER uh Eric zamore# who was here from France very different from the## fren rights just SC to saying I don't even know# can't remember if he was on the right but Georgia## Maloney in Italy very different Victor Orban very# very different and so we're we're we're seeing a## global shift in what right center right parties# are and they've transferred from being a business## parties to being working-class parties and with# that has gone a whole range of policy shifts let's## go to our Stephanie Sai at Capital One Arena# the site of the inaugural parade for a final update hey Jeff well they are listening to to# the Star Spangled Banner here at the Capital## One Arena as they watch the live stream of# the president at the capital of course once## those festivities conclude he'll be headed here# and the folks here have been anxiously waiting## some of them up for 24 hours you can hear the# cheers go up these are Americans that consider## themselves great Patriots and they have pinned a# lot of their hopes into this President and they## cannot wait to see him Jeff Stephan thank you so# much thank you to Stephanie thank you to all of## our panelists we are going to have to conclude our# broadcast coverage now of this second inauguration## of President Donald J Trump we're going to get# ready for tonight's PBS NewsHour now but don't## worry you can still watch it all the remainder of# the events including the inaugural parade being## held this year inside the Capital One Arena of# course the Oval Office signing ceremonies all## the inaugural balls tonight all of that you can# watch on our live stream on our website that's## pbs.org/newshour and of course on our YouTube# channel and again our deep thanks to all of our## colleagues in the field today our guests# who 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